There IS no we.
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The problem with loving something a lot is that it has the power to hurt you.
Why do you hurt me, 12 Monkeys? *sob* I love you so much.....
Oh, season 2, episode 8, we hardly knew ye.
Episode 8 was the bestest episode ever. Not only was it a Groundhog Day type episode, which I always tend to love, but we got talking about feelings! Cassie and Cole working together, even if slightly at odds! So much hand porn! You don't know how much I wanted to look for Tumblr hand porn gifs after that episode, but I DAREN'T accidentally spoil myself.
The next two episodes quickly destroyed that high, however. :/
Now Cole is pissed off at Cassie -- WHICH HE TOTALLY SHOULD BE -- and I'm on the verge of being done with Cassie. They can win me back for sure, but every time they have her pull crap like this, I edge ever closer to the point of no return, like the Max situation from Roswell.
It's not even the reveal that she slept with Deacon, which bothers the shit out of me -- WHY?? WHY MAKE THAT BE TRUE? Why the hell would she sleep with him?! He's a fucking sociopath. An entertaining one, to be sure, but seriously?!?! Him of all people?! Thank god Cole already seems to assume it happened, or it might destroy him.
BUT EVEN THAT ASIDE... I can't even believe how fucking crazy and obstinate she's being. I don't mind my pairing being at odds. I love angst. Mulder and Scully were constantly at odds. But they never BETRAYED THE OTHER, they never pulled disloyal shit, they never let the other down. And I feel like Cassie's letting Cole down over and over again. Granted, I realize that she feels Cole let HER down, but seriously, manipulating him, tricking him, and then fucking DRUGGING HIM was TOO MUCH.
Do they even realize this? Do they realize that they're turning Cassie into someone I don't even want to ship with Cole?! They very clearly ship them, and want us to ship them, so it really pisses me off that they would go to these extremes. If there's a redemption coming, it better be fucking GOOD.
I mean, it's bad enough that Cole's best friend Ramse is the stupidest, most selfish tool on earth. But to make Cassie side with Ramse?!?! Jesus Christ.
It's appalling how much satisfaction I felt when Cole was telling them off at the end of ep 10. When he said "there is no we," I was like, ha! Take that you biatch! But it's appalling, because I don't want to feel that way about Cassie. I LOVED Cassie. As Jade said of herself, I used to love Cassie more than Cole. But now... now. /sound of disgust
Don't get me wrong. I have liked what they've done for her character. It's refreshing to have a heroine like her -- I honestly cannot think of a single one who's been through what she's been through and has the personality she now has. It's pretty awesome that they've done that for their female character (and the fact that they change Jeffrey to Jennifer Goines). But I haaaaaate the disloyalty she's shown toward Cole. (And I'm not talking about the Deacon thing. The Deacon thing is a ... stupid thing. It happened, whatever. I don't like that. But it's not the primary factor that's driving my feelings right now.)
Cole needed to stand up for himself. I was on Cassie's side when he couldn't pull the trigger on Jennifer, probably for the same reason she seemed to hate him after that. It seemed like he was choosing Jennifer over her, betraying their mission for Jennifer. Jade's right that the reason he did that was because of how Cassie had changed him, but she had changed herself by that point, so she couldn't see that they had reversed roles. However, once Cassie and Ramse sided together, then drugged and betrayed Cole, I was sooooooooo done with them. At this point I expect that kind of shit from Ramse; I was SO DISAPPOINTED with Cassie.
I really, really hope that it's revealed that the reason she went this far, went this crazy, is something to do with Cole, and wanting to save him or protect him or make something up to him or whatever. I know that ostensibly her reason is the guilt she feels over what happened at the lab when The Witness took a ride in her mind, and yes that's not a bad reason, but now I need the "real" reason to be Cole, all Cole.
Anyway, it was a good thing that Cole stood up for himself and has apparently reached his last straw, because otherwise we would have had to lose respect for him.
That said, I'm a little nervous about what's coming next. Cassie can react one of two ways, imho... she can either be contrite, and realize what a total asshole she's been, or this will drive her even further from Cole, and make her feel like she was right to distance herself from him all along. I don't know where they're going, and that makes me nervous. Because if it's the latter, I fear she will hit my point of no return. It SEEMS like she'll go the contrite route, because of her pleading with him at the end of the episode, her look of shock and dismay when he said that there was "no we," and how she was like, "I know we lied to you, but..." The fact, though, that she thought the LYING was the worst of it just tells me she has no concept of what she's done. I do think there's a chance she'll just further resent him, because the new Cassie felt extremely righteous in what she was doing, and thought he was the one who wasn't on the right path. This could just reinforce those beliefs, especially as I can't see how being locked up with Ramse will really make her have a sudden change of heart. :/
There are tons of questions about the mythology that I have, too... some of it inherently unanswerable due to the confusion/contradictions of time travel, but some of it because I can't begin to guess.
- Why did the Cassie of 2017 call Cole "James" when she saw him? She definitely did not seem to feel that they were at odds by that point. What is included in the "so much" that they apparently went through? (Of course, this will be answered by the show... I just hope that by the time they actually get to that point, I'll still care about it.)
- Why did the scratch Cole made on Cassie's watch in 2013 disappear in 2017 when she died? It's what he uses to convince her that he's really a time traveler. If he doesn't do that, she wouldn't believe him enough to go to the hotel in the future. So... what happens that would make that scratch disappear? Does he choose not to go to her after all, in order to "save" her from this fate? But then she still knows him, so...? It's a really big thing that was totally glossed over and never mentioned again!
I feel like they're going to give us some Cole/Cassie in upcoming eps, just so they can take it away and break our hearts again in the season finale. :/ My biggest fear, and yet it would be really good in terms of angst, would be for one or the other to have their memories erased. It could happen ALL TOO EASILY. I'm just hoping that's not how they end the series. >< >< ><
Subject line quote: Cole to Cassie in 12 Monkeys.
Why do you hurt me, 12 Monkeys? *sob* I love you so much.....
Oh, season 2, episode 8, we hardly knew ye.
Episode 8 was the bestest episode ever. Not only was it a Groundhog Day type episode, which I always tend to love, but we got talking about feelings! Cassie and Cole working together, even if slightly at odds! So much hand porn! You don't know how much I wanted to look for Tumblr hand porn gifs after that episode, but I DAREN'T accidentally spoil myself.
The next two episodes quickly destroyed that high, however. :/
Now Cole is pissed off at Cassie -- WHICH HE TOTALLY SHOULD BE -- and I'm on the verge of being done with Cassie. They can win me back for sure, but every time they have her pull crap like this, I edge ever closer to the point of no return, like the Max situation from Roswell.
It's not even the reveal that she slept with Deacon, which bothers the shit out of me -- WHY?? WHY MAKE THAT BE TRUE? Why the hell would she sleep with him?! He's a fucking sociopath. An entertaining one, to be sure, but seriously?!?! Him of all people?! Thank god Cole already seems to assume it happened, or it might destroy him.
BUT EVEN THAT ASIDE... I can't even believe how fucking crazy and obstinate she's being. I don't mind my pairing being at odds. I love angst. Mulder and Scully were constantly at odds. But they never BETRAYED THE OTHER, they never pulled disloyal shit, they never let the other down. And I feel like Cassie's letting Cole down over and over again. Granted, I realize that she feels Cole let HER down, but seriously, manipulating him, tricking him, and then fucking DRUGGING HIM was TOO MUCH.
Do they even realize this? Do they realize that they're turning Cassie into someone I don't even want to ship with Cole?! They very clearly ship them, and want us to ship them, so it really pisses me off that they would go to these extremes. If there's a redemption coming, it better be fucking GOOD.
I mean, it's bad enough that Cole's best friend Ramse is the stupidest, most selfish tool on earth. But to make Cassie side with Ramse?!?! Jesus Christ.
It's appalling how much satisfaction I felt when Cole was telling them off at the end of ep 10. When he said "there is no we," I was like, ha! Take that you biatch! But it's appalling, because I don't want to feel that way about Cassie. I LOVED Cassie. As Jade said of herself, I used to love Cassie more than Cole. But now... now. /sound of disgust
Don't get me wrong. I have liked what they've done for her character. It's refreshing to have a heroine like her -- I honestly cannot think of a single one who's been through what she's been through and has the personality she now has. It's pretty awesome that they've done that for their female character (and the fact that they change Jeffrey to Jennifer Goines). But I haaaaaate the disloyalty she's shown toward Cole. (And I'm not talking about the Deacon thing. The Deacon thing is a ... stupid thing. It happened, whatever. I don't like that. But it's not the primary factor that's driving my feelings right now.)
Cole needed to stand up for himself. I was on Cassie's side when he couldn't pull the trigger on Jennifer, probably for the same reason she seemed to hate him after that. It seemed like he was choosing Jennifer over her, betraying their mission for Jennifer. Jade's right that the reason he did that was because of how Cassie had changed him, but she had changed herself by that point, so she couldn't see that they had reversed roles. However, once Cassie and Ramse sided together, then drugged and betrayed Cole, I was sooooooooo done with them. At this point I expect that kind of shit from Ramse; I was SO DISAPPOINTED with Cassie.
I really, really hope that it's revealed that the reason she went this far, went this crazy, is something to do with Cole, and wanting to save him or protect him or make something up to him or whatever. I know that ostensibly her reason is the guilt she feels over what happened at the lab when The Witness took a ride in her mind, and yes that's not a bad reason, but now I need the "real" reason to be Cole, all Cole.
Anyway, it was a good thing that Cole stood up for himself and has apparently reached his last straw, because otherwise we would have had to lose respect for him.
That said, I'm a little nervous about what's coming next. Cassie can react one of two ways, imho... she can either be contrite, and realize what a total asshole she's been, or this will drive her even further from Cole, and make her feel like she was right to distance herself from him all along. I don't know where they're going, and that makes me nervous. Because if it's the latter, I fear she will hit my point of no return. It SEEMS like she'll go the contrite route, because of her pleading with him at the end of the episode, her look of shock and dismay when he said that there was "no we," and how she was like, "I know we lied to you, but..." The fact, though, that she thought the LYING was the worst of it just tells me she has no concept of what she's done. I do think there's a chance she'll just further resent him, because the new Cassie felt extremely righteous in what she was doing, and thought he was the one who wasn't on the right path. This could just reinforce those beliefs, especially as I can't see how being locked up with Ramse will really make her have a sudden change of heart. :/
There are tons of questions about the mythology that I have, too... some of it inherently unanswerable due to the confusion/contradictions of time travel, but some of it because I can't begin to guess.
- Why did the Cassie of 2017 call Cole "James" when she saw him? She definitely did not seem to feel that they were at odds by that point. What is included in the "so much" that they apparently went through? (Of course, this will be answered by the show... I just hope that by the time they actually get to that point, I'll still care about it.)
- Why did the scratch Cole made on Cassie's watch in 2013 disappear in 2017 when she died? It's what he uses to convince her that he's really a time traveler. If he doesn't do that, she wouldn't believe him enough to go to the hotel in the future. So... what happens that would make that scratch disappear? Does he choose not to go to her after all, in order to "save" her from this fate? But then she still knows him, so...? It's a really big thing that was totally glossed over and never mentioned again!
I feel like they're going to give us some Cole/Cassie in upcoming eps, just so they can take it away and break our hearts again in the season finale. :/ My biggest fear, and yet it would be really good in terms of angst, would be for one or the other to have their memories erased. It could happen ALL TOO EASILY. I'm just hoping that's not how they end the series. >< >< ><
Subject line quote: Cole to Cassie in 12 Monkeys.
